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Slut Shaming

November 9, 2011 Leave a comment Go to comments

I originally wrote and published this at The Spearhead (nauseating picture warning) on October 2nd, 2010. Update to follow.

I’ve seen a lot of feminist musings on removing the shame from the word slut, and lamenting the “double standard” that it implies. I think they have it, as usual, perfectly wrong. Once you remove the feeling of shame from “slutdom,” you’re ruined. The fact that some feminists are trying to reclaim and defang the word “slut” shows that there is still at least some shame attached to it. I think it should have more than it does, because this is the root of the problem with the disintegration of the family and the way we are, as a society, slipping into a Sodom and Gomorrah kind of world where anything goes. Oh, I’m sorry, did I use the Bible as a “guilt trip”? OK, let me rephrase for the literarily challenged: Living like apes in the trees is not good for the human spirit, for human creativity, for a higher minded life.

The notion that shame is a bad thing in and of itself is what drives this impulse; certain words have been branded as “negative,” and therefore, “bad,” as if everything negative is bad. Electricity only works with a positive and negative charge. This can be used as a metaphor without descending into false logic – we cannot separate ourselves from the natural world or rewrite nature. Although not overtly the topic of this article (via Dr Helen) on having or not having children, I couldn’t help honing in on this paragraph:

Sad, but in all likelihood, they will end up just like their parents: single mothers with too many children, forced to work two minimum wage jobs and still unable to make ends meet, or, worse, like their irresponsible, absentee fathers.

The author probably doesn’t even know he’s doing it, but this is obvious feminist language when you’re attuned to it. It’s an attempt to reverse the so-called double standard and shame the males in the equation while painting the females as innocent, passive victims. A 14-year-old unwed pregnant girl used to be called a slut. Calling her something else doesn’t change what she is. Taking the shame off her only gives her permission to ruin her life by being a slut – it’s not the baby that ruined her life, it was her own actions, her own willingness to open her legs to some horny 14-year-old boy who figured had nothing really to lose in the deal.

It is truly sickening to read feminists calling on young women to “embrace their inner slut” or whatever crass nonsense supposedly in an effort to erase the dreaded “double standard.” Sorry girls, but Nature has given us a double standard and no amount of redefining words, easy access to abortion, women’s “rights” and the like can erase the facts of biology and thousands of years of evolution. Shame is a powerful tool and all powerful tools can be misused, but just because a nail gun can be used to kill someone doesn’t mean it can’t still nail down your floorboards.

Further comments from 7man: As shown recently since the Team Woman post and the recent kerfuffle at TC, the solid men (who can be vulgar) leave and the women quickly get off track. All the feigned moral indignation about the language and the solid stands taken about dominance, leadership, submission and moral authority was pure Team Woman. This proves that “Christian” women are no more trustworthy. One could argue that many Christian women are worse, because they use their faith to justify their disobedience, being “true to themselves” and placating other women that divorce. Why should Christian women ever defend sluts and blame Roissy?

That is merely blaming men for women’s poor judgement while at the same time claiming women are more empathetic, caring and moral, when the truth is that most are not. At least a player makes no moral excuses for his pump-n-dump lifestyle – in fact, many say they would rather find one good woman but they have been so burned by Team Woman that they have given up on that and so just seek easy sex with sluts as a last resort.

If women are worth more than what’s between their legs, then women had better start acting like it and shaming the women that are shitting on the rug and making the world a shithole for everyone else. If the men stopped pumping-n-dumping, would anything change with women? If the women stopped putting out for free and were committed to their vows and their man, would anything change with men?

Yes the responsibility and blame is joint, but changing men is not the solution. Feminism has tried to do this for the past 100 years and they have largely been successful – and look at what we have now!

I have said for a long time that circumcision, criminalization of prostitution and alcohol prohibition in the US as well as the no-fault divorce and domestic violence laws were largely promoted by Christian women claiming moral superiority and trying to control men’s sexuality. These Christian women are fully on Team Woman. I would rather have a woman that is honest about herself, admits to masturbation and some porn use to make it through life than a holy Christian woman. This way I can be honest that I do the same without fear it will be used against me. Then after that a common faith can be important based on two sinners that are honest with each other.

But again the traditionalists/conservatives are too rigid on divorce when they say never. There are valid reasons for divorce, such as when one is married to a personality disordered or psychologically disturbed person. There is virtually no hope that such people will ever change and they really were incapable of making the commitment to their vows. Such is contractual fraud and thus the marriage contract was not valid. Of course this analysis must be made from a factual basis and not from a feelings basis. Where there is no possibility of emotional intimacy, there is no real possibility of a true marriage.

CL’s final thoughts: It is lazy and cretinous to argue that it is only men who should change. As I have said elsewhere, if women stop giving it away for free, men would have more incentive to be of service to a woman knowing that she is his and has not warmed the beds of a load of previous lovers. A woman who has no real notion of how disappointing this is to a man has no understanding of how men operate. You will be treated as you teach people to treat you, and if you are of loose moral character, you will not find an upstanding, strong man willing to take the risk of taking you on. Consequences, for the win.

As for sluts, any woman who is of good moral character ought to call them out, because they are ruining the market place for the rest of us. Forget “the sisterhood” and Team Woman; stop defending the behaviour of sluts.

  1. November 9, 2011 at 10:17 am | #1

    Sad spectacle, wasn’t it?

  2. November 9, 2011 at 11:39 am | #2

    Here are some interesting findings on the differing morals of the sexes, though poorly edited, that are apropos to the discussions of late.

  3. November 9, 2011 at 1:56 pm | #3

    The biggest problem with modern sluttery is that we’ve systematically socialized away a lot of the costs of same. I predict it’ll turn downward in a big way once the economy is forced to no longer afford as much of a welfare state.

  4. November 9, 2011 at 3:34 pm | #4

    Forgive me for being obtuse 7man, but what is your interpretation of the “recent kerfuffle at TC”? I was gone throughout most of it anyway, but I thought it was a simple enforcement of more Christian standards of decency (from other Christians no less) in the comments section.

    I am curious about what you’re thinking since you mentioned us specifically in your post.

  5. November 9, 2011 at 4:09 pm | #5

    Yes, “simple enforcement of more Christian standards of decency” is the justification spin. But the enforcer(s) did not actually act as self-portrayed.

  6. November 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm | #6

    “All the feigned moral indignation about the language and the solid stands taken about dominance, leadership, submission and moral authority was pure Team Woman. This proves that “Christian” women are no more trustworthy. One could argue that many Christian women are worse, because they use their faith to justify their disobedience, being “true to themselves” and placating other women that divorce. Why should Christian women ever defend sluts and blame Roissy?”

    You have hit the nail on the head there 7man.

    It is also one of the reasons I no longer comment at a certain Christian blog. Team Woman indeed. The sanctimonious hypocrisy.. The holier than though attitude that pervades the blog is rather nauseating.

    That most of the strong men of substance appear to have left the building is rather illuminating don’t you think.?.

    bok bok bok bok bok… What’s left is a bunch of chooks scratching in the dirt.. You know how chooks dig around and cover themselves in dirt.. Then flap their wings furiously to shake it all off? ;)

    CL: LOL

  7. November 9, 2011 at 6:59 pm | #7

    I may regret this, and it is all a “storm in a teacup”, but I do have two observations.

    The first is that some commenting men seem to get away with more than others, and TC does have a naughty past which is now being put behind it as the blog attains higher visibility. In any case, the tone has veered wildly and it does seem suspiciously cyclical …

    Second, the whole “previous experience” thing is a touchy point. Many Christian women bloggers have been party girls in their past lives, and “slut shaming” comes a bit too close to home for comfort. Also, many have been educated as feminists, and the programming is still there at some level.

  8. November 9, 2011 at 7:03 pm | #8

    Hi Kathy. How’s things in WA? I hope you and your family are well.

  9. November 9, 2011 at 7:08 pm | #9

    CL: “It is lazy and cretinous to argue that it is only men who should change. As I have said elsewhere, if women stop giving it away for free, men would have more incentive to be of service to a woman knowing that she is his and has not warmed the beds of a load of previous lovers. A woman who has no real notion of how disappointing this is to a man has no understanding of how men operate.”

    Well put.

  10. CL
    November 9, 2011 at 7:18 pm | #10

    DC, although possible, true slut reformation is probably rare. If one has genuinely repented – and I hasten to add that a bit of a past does not make one a slut – then one shouldn’t be offended at the idea of shaming slutty behaviour.

    Then there’s the issue of those women who lie about their past and put on a façade of holiness; perhaps those are the ones most offended by this sort of thing, I don’t know. We can’t dance around the obvious to save some fragile egos and delicate sensibilities. If they regret having been party girls, then they should have no problem with re-attaching shame to that behaviour so that others don’t go down that road. Sometimes a does of hard reality is what’s needed.

    It’s not that people cannot be forgiven for mistakes made in ignorance; that’s not what this post is about.

  11. November 9, 2011 at 9:37 pm | #11

    If they regret having been party girls, then they should have no problem with re-attaching shame to that behaviour so that others don’t go down that road.

    Who doesn’t/didn’t? I must have missed something.

    CL, you know I admire you both, but I am totally confused by the preoccupation with TC, here, it’s boring, like listening to someone shit-talking the ex they broke up with. I’m pretty sure there was a comment made , somewhere, about how only (Team) women are inclined toward the protracted defamation of the ex…it was a really profound observation.

  12. CL
    November 9, 2011 at 10:26 pm | #12

    This was one small reference; anything else anyone thinks is “about TC” has been a misrepresentation/misinterpretation. Team Woman had nothing to do with that but people ran with it and took it as a slam on TC and on women, when it was simply an observation about how women work when it comes to social interactions, and it was written and scheduled before all this hullabaloo started, which, I might add, started over at TC with some hurt feelings and seems to be continuing there but nowhere else (aside from Chris’s white knighting paean to TC that seems to be the main driver of his blog). Furthermore, individual bloggers are called out all the time on the Internet and this is fair game. For some reason, some deem themselves above criticism.

    I agree that it’s getting boring, however. Something that can’t possibly be taken the wrong way coming up tomorrow.

  13. November 9, 2011 at 10:38 pm | #13

    Women personalize, what else is new?
    Why personalize general observations?

    7man: Edited to clarify that I meant ‘escalation due to personalization” and not as an attack on any specific women.

  14. November 9, 2011 at 11:03 pm | #14

    7Man, shut up. You’ve become impossible to take seriously.

    CL,all the best, really – I don’t have anything to add without being counterproductive. I just don’t have the intellect and introspection to keep up, I guess. Its not the first time, probably not the last. Be well!

  15. November 10, 2011 at 1:36 am | #15

    Hi David.. We are all doing well here in the west. Hope all is equally well with you and yours over in the east. :)

  16. CL
    November 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm | #16

    Let me just point out that a bunch of us were apparently banned, two (7man and I) removed from the contributors list with only flimsy justification, and now some of the TC ladies are coming here to grumble about it to us. What they want from us, I’m not sure. No one has attacked or harassed the TC women, as they are all claiming over there, and none of us has said anything directly about this except for a brief reference on this post – which is true, it was a kerfuffle at TC – and in answer to those TC ladies who have come here to say something about it. It leads one to wonder why this doesn’t appear to strike any of them as odd.

    Psychological Projection

    Now I know if they read this, they will think I’m upset, so for the record, I am not upset. None of this is very important to me but if people want to comment about being “harassed” and “opposed”(?), I will set the record straight as I see fit and that is all.

    And with that, I will accept no more off-topic posts on this tempest in a teacup, as DC correctly calls it.

  17. Random Angeleno
    November 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm | #17

    A bit off topic here, but there is a brief discussion in the comment thread of Dalrock’s latest post today about Glenn Stanton. That discussion was about pastors being on the receiving end of fitness tests from the women in their congregation when attempting to sermonize about the roles of men and women using passages from Paul’s letters, etc. The question being, how would a pastor with game handle these fitness tests and stay on the message? I commented there that even if none of the suggestions ever made it into a Sunday sermon, they might still be good points for Christian/Catholic men to have for handling testing from their own wives/girlfriends. Any interest in that question here?

  18. November 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm | #18

    @Random Angeleno

    That is a good question. I will give some thought to it. It would be helpful if we had some examples of the types of “fitness tests” that women use on Pastors. Handling these tests usually includes some sexual innuendo or context, so it could be very problematic for Pastors.

  19. Random Angeleno
    November 12, 2011 at 5:23 pm | #19

    Hey 7man, see Dalrock’s post today. He’s addressing this very topic.

  20. Janey
    November 13, 2011 at 7:53 am | #20

    How about writing an article on hypocrisy?

    CL: Already did: Hypocrisy and Female Sexuality

  21. Chris
    November 13, 2011 at 12:43 pm | #21

    Ok. Then how about one regarding the influence of Scientology on current theological thought, with specific reference to Catholicism.

  22. CL
    November 13, 2011 at 12:45 pm | #22

    Uh, Chris, I have no idea. I don’t know much about Scientology and don’t find it interesting enough to pursue.

  23. December 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm | #23

    Outstanding post. I’ll be back

  24. CL
    January 17, 2012 at 9:37 am | #24

    I have been convinced by a brainwashed 13 year-old girl to change my ways folks. I hope you all feel as chastised as I do watching this!

  25. February 17, 2012 at 10:36 pm | #25

    “I would rather have a woman that is honest about herself… than a holy Christian woman. This way I can be honest… without fear it will be used against me. Then after that a common faith can be important based on two sinners that are honest with each other.”

    and

    “If they regret having been party girls, then they should have no problem with re-attaching shame to that behaviour so that others don’t go down that road.”

    Agreed. Honesty about past (however limited such past may be) and about present, coupled with evidence of both regret and reform are essential. Past or present failures should not be used as weaponry against our partners: surely they will both be exclusion criteria for some potential relationships but dishonesty and veiled past error, or feigned perfection is essentially evil and is just as lethal to an LTR.

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